Dreaming of El Niño Winter

Laughs. Idk what this el stuff dose but acorns and pine cones are dropping which means cold and snowy in north east indiana and Michigan(which I still think is stupid the indiana, Michigan and Ohio are part of Midwest) and its not unusual come January to have 15 below up here and snow freeze over yes snow is frozen water can freeze again. In January we beg up here for anything not in negtives. Admit last yr was warmer then usual clearly by temps and nature it wont be long before brr and snow. But the heat explains why no black cherries from Michigan this yr had to settle for Northwest cherries they aren't as good

So when would know for sure if El Nino is in effective and if the NAO is negative?

I asked my uncle "so what do you think this winter will be like with an el nino" and he said "if theres one thing ive learned about an el nino winter is that you just dont ever know what that little boy is up to, we may be a bit mild in the winter then we have a nasty March snowstorm or we may end up getting a stormy cold December then you get tricked with the rest of the winter warming up a bit" in his 45 years of studying the weather, el nino plays pranks on us so... who knows! but he said even if el nino does argue for a mild winter, it will be pleasant. We will still have a winter but we wont shiver to death like we did the last few. That is what i like, mild. Not a record warm winter but a winter where we dont have to leave the heat on but so often! a fair share of snow and cold in the mix

Let it snow! Let it snow! Let it snow!

Its all I've got. I don't pretend to understand weather patterns so I really can't discuss them or comment on them. I just really miss seeing snow.

I also believe this winter should be more of a winter than last. We desperately need that colder winter. Bugs are terrible this year. Will a positive NAO still do us good this winter? I dont want it frigid but atleast colder than last year! When is el nino coming? The midwest needs more moisture. Those snowy winter skies to recover the drought over the winter. We do need that winter in the east and midwest!!

I think here in Texas we are probably gonna have a very cool September with an early frost or freeze coming in early October. I also think it will be rainy all the way from Oct through May with a major risk of severe weather from Late October through Early December followed by a major cold spell in January. I dont think we will see much snow, but freezing rain and ice might be in the offing especially early December and Mid to Late Jan and mid feb.

I love a cold December. As long as I get my wonderful beautiful snowy December morning then my winter is all set :) I remember when I was little and i wake up on Christmas morning and I see a frosty, icy winter wonderland outside and id just have that smile on my face when it snowed. Last December was absolutely horrible. It was upsetting and my kids couldnt take time and enjoy the gift of winter time. As long as December 2012 is colder! I want to go back to the past when you came inside and had a mug of hot chocolate after building a snowman and having a snowball fight with my brother! That was good times. Winter brings back alot more memories, i hope this year is a differnt story. Another 2009-10 is what im hoping for! In Virginia you will rarely see a temperature above 60 degrees in the winter, and i want it to stay that way! no more allergies in February

Last winter was hardly what I could call "winter" here in Arkansas. I didn't even use one tank of gas for heating, which is good, but---last summer started early and was so hot and dry, I spent the whole summer inside under the air conditioning. The two winters before that were exceptionally cold, as everyone knows. The iguanas were falling out of the trees in Florida, and the manatees were suffering and looking for warmer water. One found its way up the Mississippi to a waste water outlet that was warmer than the surrounding waters. Now, that seemed like an indication of pole shift. NASA has just come out with something interesting about the space climate and what is happening on the Sun and with the planets as we pass through a region of cosmic clouds, not known before this. I really believe there is some connection. Nothing would surprise me anymore. I like my winters a little bit on the wet and warm side, with at least one nice snow. :)

Several years ago we had way too much snow, the kids missed almost three weeks of school. Another year we had ice storms all winter. This past winter lasted for 4 days in November. I'm ready for some normalcy, already. Normal for northern Arkansas; rain starts around Halloween, cold snap around Thanksgiving, 2 or three snows around Christmas, warm a little in January, first of February get more snow (not ice or tornadoes again, Mother Nature, do you hear me?), then snow showers until the middle of March, then slooooowly warming until about the middle of May. Had I been more energetic I could have planted my garden in January, we were hitting upper 70's by then! Ready for it to get back to the way it's supposed to be!

im gonna have to give up on a winter in the southeast arent i? In North Carolina last winter was unacceptable!! We had an inch of snow last winter. 1 inch?? If we dont get more snow and cold this year then we could be looking at another disaster. I understand.. warm winter days may feel good, but the effects of them are very bad. Our summer is feeding off of our warm, dry winter. If you want water to drink and wet conditions, you need higher snow pack in winter! I miss the winters i once loved and we looked foward to sitting at the fireplace, enjoying a nice, cold Christmas day. We had plenty of that before 2011-12 but non existant winters are probably going to happen for now on, right?

Ok, so if last winter was dominated by a very strongly positive NAO that lasted the whole season. Does that mean that even if we do have a positive NAO that it will be less strongly positive? Meaning this winter will be more of a winter. Can we still get cold weather and snow with a positive NAO?

Iwill take 70 degrees in december january and february and march over a normal winter anytime place you all acan have the snow and cold justgive me 60 degrees at least all yr long

Thank you, Penny13! We as humans can do our best to understand all of the factors that influence weather around the globe, but we will never fully understand "mother nature," so to speak. That's why great people like Evelyn spend their entire lives studying climate and weather so that it may be better predicted-just as in life, there is no guarantee with weather. Perhaps we as humans are meant to come up with alternative ways of sustaining our existence by using all the knowledge we have to find other methods of growing crops. Ban together and formulate new ways to feed our countries instead of separately suffering. Here in VT, I can see the change of seasons already-the first reds are peeking through a sea of green tree tops. Just a couple trees here and there. The sun still blazes and the humidity is unsurpassed to the VA summers I remember growing up-but fear not; for anyone in the NE, we have just been granted an extra length of growing opportunity-I hope we all can take advantage of that.

Coming from a long line of farmers, I know how crucial a hard freeze is to agriculture. As a child, I hardly recall a single Christmas without snow, but it began to change in the '70's. Now we never know, and a white Christmas is a real treat. We're at the bottom of the Midwest, in Kentucky. And yes, the insects were terrible this year. I hate 90-100 degree weather in the Summer, but I can deal with it as long as it's balanced by a good, solid, frigid Winter stretch. I love the change of seasons, it's magickal!