My new raised bed project!

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I hit a deal in Dec with a

I hit a deal in Dec with a Landscaping Co going out of business. Ended up getting 5 Nellie Stevens Holly(the birds love them) and 15 Lugustrum for a hedge. Only $7 for a 7 gallon plant...so they all are already 4-5ft tall. Now I just have to plant them....

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Neat!

What a deal! :D

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That IS Good

I've been collecting bits of info here and there on Hollies.

If you want berries, do you have to buy both male & female?

What about watering? Soil moist but not soggy, with watering 1x/week?

Mine will go where there is high morning sun only, and the rhododendron and yews seem to do okay ...

What do you suggest?

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Nellie Stevens are hardy in

Nellie Stevens are hardy in zones 6-8. They will set fruit without a male but the berries will be seedless, which I'm thinking might be a good thing. I bought the shrub type to form a hedge.

From what I've read they prefer slightly acidic soil and adequate watering to get established. Shade or sun.

For your area - I would think the American Holly would be good. I had one in the yard of my last house, nice tree. The only thing with hollies is they do drop or shed the older leaves and they are very prickly. I've cussed a many of a time when stuck by one. I understand the Nellie's do the same but not as bad as other hollies. I plan to plant mine in an area that will be left "natural" so I'm not going to worry about raking up the dead ones.

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Thanks for the Info

'Lane, good advice, I'll take it, and the shedding might be an advantage to keeping the feral cats away from the birds, but there's no telling with those hunters.

I pause about the watering tho' and it's very sandy soil, but if I drop in a layer of sphagnum moss in a perimeter, that should probably help.

I'd like a source for Christmas decor too! ;)

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-18 last night,

so the grounds frozen again, but soon it will be spring, and by late enough into spring that I can plant, I should have gotten plenty of good weather to get lots more digging done, as well as gathering up more tires,,,,which I found where I can get a few more local too! :D

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More Tires!!

Yay!! Free I hope?

Last winter I had more subzero days than this year, probably due to more snow. ;)

By the way, if the thermometer was reading -18, what was the windchill? Or do I really want to know???? :O

Did you catch CNN's report on Yellowstone's ground rise due to volcanic underground activity? I remember you said you're 200 mi. NE, doubt if you were affected by the rise, but the scientists keep saying it's due for the "Big Blow" anytime from now until 100,000 years ...

Of course, for us on the east coast, if that island over by Africa splits in half and causes a tsunami, we're done for ... if we get fair warning, I'm not payin' the bills!

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Not wind chill, actual temp, and this morning, -27 F

,,,,,might not mater whether you pay the bills or not, especially if they can't find you if you get washed out to sea from the tsunami, just as well at first warning head for higher ground and forget those bills! ;)

Yes, more free tires, more of them I can save from having to pay disposal fee on! ;)

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I Hear That

I think after a certain point, cold is just cold.

That was interesting what Elsie brought up about chemicals leeching, good catch. I'd known about the treated wood, but not the tires.

As far as tsunami, already got a spot picked out, just pack the car, load the cats and we're GONE. Once I lived in the flatlands after growing up in hilly country and do you know I completely lost my sense of direction? Weird! No one would let me drive very far, and certainly not to The Shore as I got lost in the backroads. Got it back the minute I moved.

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RE: cold is just cold (-24 this morning)

The forecast for tonight is 11 F, but I'll believe it to stay that warm when I see it! ;)

I just heard the next 5 winters are to be at least as cold as this winter, so I hope I can get my wind break continued to get stepped up in growth and development at a continued accelerated rate, which should be easy now that I have a good start on quite a miscellanea of trees and my Rocky Mountain Junipers and have several rows of tires for raised beds to plant small trees/shrubbery in (the tires them selves slow quite a bit of wind down).

Also, another thing I thought up on the mater of the leaching of the tires is, that my Soil Aquatic Algae I grow in my gardens and around trees for the nitrogen fixing it does and the humus it adds to the soil, will help keep the soil clean, just as aquatic algae helps clean up stagnant dirty water!

When I was a small child I grew up running loose in the woods, never got lost then, but still can't find my way around in the city! :shy:

(kind of loose my sense of direction too!)

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Windbreak IS a Priority ...

... where you're at! And 11 probably feels like heaven. I was going to put off cleaning off the car yesterday, but it was 35 which would make it super easy. Since I woke up to a frozen winter wonderland, glad I did!

So the algae helps too ... good, whatever it takes to keep junk out of the well water.

As kids we also ran wild like that ... cities? Best to walk, drivers don't pay attention to the traffic signals anyway!
Some towns still use the old system of streets only running in one direction and only avenues running in the other, so THAT helps.

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We got a few warm days,

now it's starting to cool off again though not as much. :)

I went and picked up the tires from my friends house, two grader tires and four semi tires, I left the two road grader tires in the back of the truck for extra weight as it is fore-casted to snow a bunch again!,,,,as for the semi truck tires, I positioned them near where I have my row of such tires already in a manner so they would make a better snow fence than laying flat. :D

When the ground gets thawed again, I may divide some of my Gooseberry bushes and put them into my flower bed in front of the house. Also I want to try propagating some by layering and from cuttings, but those will have to wait till later. :)

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Just got done,

getting in a bit of exercise, about 15 minutes on the Nordic-track cross trainer (only .625 miles on easy settings, I can do better than that on foot, but am doing it to train myself to lift my feet when I walk better than I can do now), sets of leg curls bench press and some upper body work out, plus some working of the abs.

Got to get in shape for pushing the lawnmower and doing all my digging,,,,not to mention all the weed pulling I'll need to keep up with this summer.

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A little better this morning,

Just did the cross trainer, I did .68 mile is same time without straining my joints as bad. :) The homeopathic arthritis remedy's I've been using have gotten me so that I have enough flexibility to use the cross trainer without it flaring up. :) The last time I had used the cross trainer and stuck with it till I was getting better health was over two years ago and I ended up switching to jogging not so much by choice, but to reduce the swelling in my joints (mostly hips), which of course began inflammation in my knees and ankles once again after I had done so many years of walking most days to get those in shape again.:( So then I got serious about my bicycle and went for more and more bike rides, longer and faster till I stressed myself out till I was beginning to have a relapse of my mental illness, that part I'll blame on the dogs as they were the ones who got to be more and more frequently congregating around the bike making a ruckus till I would go for a ride so they could run along side! :D

Anyway I got back so that I could use the cross trainer much much faster this time, and I think if I continue doing a light workout morning and evening should be fine, wish me luck, and for those that it applies, prayers please! :)

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Glad To Hear ...

... you're feeling better, and you're right, keep it light!

It's true that trying to cure one thing may have an adverse effect on another, so just do what you've been doing and keep track Larry.

I often bedevil myself with the question "now why didn't I think of that before." The only answer is "Well I just did now!" :)

Ha ha about the dogs, nice try ;)

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Thanks!

Yah, I had kept wanting to go for more bike rides too, so I shouldn't completely blame it on them! :shy:

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I took it easy this evening,

mostly did some soothing exercises at low intensity to massage my muscles as I stretched them out, it was really tempting to push myself again,,,,but I do that too much!

Gathered up four more semi tires at the tire shop.

Looking forward to spring!

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-28 F, much colder than forecast!

It was even to cold to use my exercise equipment much out in the shop, so after only 10 minutes I came in and did some marching in place push-ups and used my hand weights. :)

I appreciate the weather returning to normal Montana winter temps and all, but why did I have to decide to start digging my root cellar after the mild winters got over?,,,,Now it's frozen ground in the best time to dig, when no other gardening chores need done! :shy:

Thank goodness winter is now more than half over,,,,hurry up spring, I need to get ready to plant! :D

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Don't Know About You, But ...

... I tend to forget that the winter's low humidity makes me feel much worse, so it's easy to jump to conclusions that I'm falling apart!

Then MAGIC happens ... Spring arrives.

I've been doing a little indoor gardening, I been growing sprouts! I get a mix of seeds and rinse every day and coax them to grow, pop off the cover and watch 'em turn a beautiful shade of green.

Very satisfying and tasty too! Favorite salad is baby spinach, sprouts and tomatoes ... yum.

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I slept till noon yesterday,

after going back to bed from feeling to sleepy from the weather.

55 or 56 deg F warmer this morning when I got up! :D

I looked at my gooseberry bushes this morning to see if they looked big enough to divide, and they look as if they may be all from one original stem, have to wait till the snow finishes melting to tell for sure, I may have to start them from cuttings to fill in my raised beds.

I think this coming fall I should be able to divide my raspberries to get some good starts for some of my raised beds too! :)

I think I may put some of my left over green ash down in the gravel pit where they will be sheltered from the wind by the wall of the pit, and shaded by the poplar trees till they get established, green ash are tolerant of both wet and dry situations. :)

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I Hear That!

My cats are the sleep-in barometers, THEY know when.

Geez a heat wave, break out the picnic basket!!

Gooseberries, raspberries ... where's the pie? Good thing you don't have bears.

Is the gravel pit really a pit with high sides all around or more like a dig into the hillside? Just curious as why you can't make it into a pond.

Speaking of ponds, are you going to still work on your bog pond or was it just an experiment? Sometimes plans don't necessarily work out, no big deal.

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Some stuff worked out,

some didn't, including some some that I thought for sure would didn't, and some I thought I was pushing my luck made it.

I stuck some poplar and willow cuttings in it and intend to put some of my Bayberry bushes I've ordered in it, but other than that I don't have much planed for it.

I got another load of tires yesterday, one of which made me regret loading it due to how heavy it is, but I'm glad I got it just the same! :D

The pit is partly dug into a hill, but is dug down far enough for a pond at one end, and I've been working on catching as much snow in the form of snow drifts as I can to try to fill it, and my poplar trees will put lots of water in when they get big enough,,,,as well as them letting it out when too much is there! :)

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I got some rocks picked,

from an area where I want to do some of my raised beds. :)

Yesterday the power was off 5 1/2 hours or more due to high winds. :P

I put out two more of my bags of chicken manure on my trees in the gravel pit, and am going to do more later on my fruit trees/berry bushes.

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I've been feeling energetic,

getting more done: more rock picking, lots of firewood, several more loads of tires, bike ride almost to the top of the hill 1 1/2 miles from my house (may try for all the way to the top today), branch chipping, the dirt was thawed enough to get a couple of small wheelbarrow loads of dirt dug, free weights, push-ups, and spending less time lazing around on the computer! :D

It's been a busy last few days, and needs to stay this way especially with me feeling so good! :)

I also ordered a few more bushes for spring, Buffalo Berries (10 3-4 foot),and Japanese Tree Lilacs (25 small), I'm going all out this year!,,,so far 102 or more trees bushes and plants ordered! :D

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The ole DH started yesterday

The ole DH started yesterday to clear the property line to start planting the Lugustrum. I'm tired of watering all the plants/shrubs I have in pots! I should be shot as he was clearing and digging up trees I was potting them up.. oak and cedar trees( about 3ft tall) What the heck...now I just have more to water....shoot me!

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Just Can't Help Yourself!

Quick!! While you've got DH digging, find new spots for them!!!!!!!

;)

At least you can dig your ground ... our turn is coming.

Oh darn. They took our smileys away :(
First the sun pic goes into perpetual night, now this. :(

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I wish I lived close enough to come get those off your hands

they'd be awful expensive to mail!

To bad about the smileys, I hope they'll be back!

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I ordered a few,

dwarf flowering almonds for my flower beds.

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I picked up berry bushes today,

2 raspberry, 2 blackberry, and a blue berry.

All should do well in the tires.

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I've Heard ...

... that Berry tending has different guidelines ... also I don't think they produce in the first year, do they?

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Generally, even if they bloom

it's best to pinch the flowers the first year, just like strawberries.

Mine are very small still, 2 year old bushes.

If the ground is thawed enough I may go ahead and plant the ones that are still dormant, the ones leafed out I'll make cold frames in my tires for and get their peat pots a better start in some 2 or 3 gallon pots, they would fit in 1 gallon, but I figure the bigger ones would be better, then again maybe the smaller would be better as they would maybe be rooted in enough to hold together for planting.

All but the Blueberry will put up suckers to transplant to more tires and eventually elsewhere around the place.

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Got 'em planted!

I did it yesterday morning, it had got down to twenty over night and the ground was frozen clear to the surface everywhere but in my tires!

Ready for more, but should hold off.

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I'm only ten but

I need advice. Right now I am growing ikaurus sunflowers,dreamland red zinnias,hybrid coral zinnias and french mari golds.I am growing them in a mini greenhouse from miracle grow.

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Hi Tommy and welcome..

Never really grew those things, however, if you bought the seeds in packets, there should be instructions on how to grow them.

Since you list so many, I would suggest doing Google searches for each one and find advice from the experts. Now if you were growing garlic I could help you ;^)

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5 loads today,

now it's raining, and may snow!,,,Some of the ground is still frozen as it is!

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