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I agree that there is noI agree that there is no point in continuing with this discourse. But contrary to what you think about my position, far from being in any way against astronomy or science generally, my concern is to defend Science - real SCience - against those who abuse it by trying to scientise common everyday human experience. That is scientism. Your own post should have made it clear to you that the beginning of Spring can not be precisely defined, even in one place, let alone across the globe, and it is absurd to pretend that it can. The precision of the date of the vernal equinox apparently gives you the false impression that it can. Is that because you can't stomach the imprecision and general messiness of real life and find deceptive refuge in the precision of Science?

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