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All I can say is that, in myAll I can say is that, in my humble opinion, the astronomical points mark the seasons, even though the seasonal time frames may indeed have variable weather patterns in different areas and regions. The position of the Sun and the seasonal positions of the Earth are, to my thinking, the true markers of the seasonal tides. The weather in our particular region may not fit the season precisely (and may indeed vary greatly), but the seasonal changes are there, none the less. I think you're attempting to redefine science in a very unscientific way, by focusing on the immediate climatic conditions outside your door while virtually ignoring the astronomical cycles which bring the seasonal changes in the first place. Again, that is your right, if that's how you choose to see it all. It just seems mighty illogical to prefer such an imbalanced and inconsistent way of measuring the seasons. Again, I ask-- if you're going to mark the seasons based on the weather you see outside and in your immediate area, do they alternate back and forth, as in from Spring back to Winter, then back to Spring? What if we hit Summer in May and get a sudden surge of Arctic air which results in snow? Are those areas which receive snow suddenly back to Winter, while the others are still in early Summer, or if it got cooler but they didn't get snow, do they go back to Spring until it gets warmer? I am sincerely curious about your views on this. I would say the beginning of Spring can, indeed, be precisely defined by astronomical calculations, though (obviously) the local weather conditions remain variable from one region to another, and even from one area to another within each region. You may call it scientism and say it isn't truly scientific, but it seems pretty scientific to me.

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