Preheat oven to 350 degrees F. Cream together shortening and sugar. Add eggs and water. In a separate bowl, mix together flour, salt, baking soda, cinnamon, and cloves. Add to shortening mixture. Add dates or raisins, and walnuts. Drop by teaspoonfuls onto a greased baking sheet, 2 to 3 inches apart and bake for 12 to 15 minutes.