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- NASA — Experience the Equinox
- National Weather Service — The Seasons (Equinoxes and Solstices) Page
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I'm not sure how you can suggest the apparent rising and setting of the sun is NOT an astronomical event. All motions of the sky are 100% astronomical. Just because humans experience it does not mean that science doesn't drive it. In fact, the entire universe, and all that occurs in it is scientific phenomena. And of course you can look up the times the sun sets and rises in an almanac.....they have been mathematically calculated by............. uh, lets see.....who are they again? Oh yeah, ASTRONOMERS! I'm not sure what the ramblings about eclipses and moon landings had to do with any of this, but yes I agree we do see them. There is no obsession with astronomical definitions, and suggesting it is pagan really explains all of this. Its just another example of individuals being unable to grasp the explanations of the world around them, while still holding onto their faith. They do not need to be separated, in fact for many of us one only strengthens the other. The bottom line is that everything you see in the sky, and everything associated with seasons can be explained by science. Do not limit your creator to magic. My creator created everything, including science. He/she gave me a logical, problem solving mind, yet has not asked that I forego its use. My creator is most likely the first, and greatest scientist ever! People need to get over being hung up on language, and just enjoy the "inconceivable nature, of nature." I stole that quote from Richard Feynman.
Your all lost. Astronomy absolutely defines trhe seasons, and always has. You are too hung up on high sun and low sun and what beginnings and ends mean. This is why an understanding of our place in the universe is so darn important. Just beacause it doesn't jive with your definition does not make it incorrect. The equinoxes and soltices are absolutely the beginnings of seasons. Our ancestors knew this, and so we should try to be as understanding of nature as they were. By the way, to suggest that the astronomical dates do not change is just plain silly and uneducated. Simply google "The precession of the equinoxes" to see that the dates do change. Do not be so hung up on when birdies lay and hatch eggs, and when flowers bloom. The flowers in my front yard may begin sprouting next week, however my neighbor's may not start for two weeks after that. It surely is not spring just on my side of the street! The real explanation? Differing species of flowers. I think too many of you may be too vain to believe that YOUR definition os seasons does not match that of the cosmos. Incidentally, there is winter, spring, summer, and fall on Mars. But no life blooming and fading. Just position of the celectial equator and ecliptic. You know, the TRUE definition of seasons!
Yes, I suppose you would say that I, an astronomer, am hung up on astronomy. But certainly understand that what humans have come to call winter, spring, summer, and fall has been occurring for billions of years before humans roamed this rock, and certainly before the words to describe the weather changes that occur after that position in space has been reached. Remember that it takes time for Earth to absorob the more direct sunlight, so the weather patterns, bloomings, and animal behaviors take some time to occur as well. It is simply silly and childish to suggest that "spring" occurs at a different moment for every individual organism, and for each individual region. Clearly the flowers have not stopped blooming in Florida, so when does spring start for them? And yes, I am absolutely hung up on astronomy. It is the most enriching, and beautiful field of study that can be taken on. I certainly hope for all of you that you can look up into the night sky, and appreciate the majestic beauty, vastness, and immensity of it.
I completely agree with your last line. Of course the events take the names from what humans have experienced (as do all things we have given names to). But certainly the seasons would still happen if there were no beings here to experience them, or give them names. Obviously we rely on our senses for everything we do or think, however this is way off point. Earlier posts suggested that the sun cannot be highest in the sky on the first day of summer, that it has to be the middle of the summer. I would think you would assign the mid point to warmest average temperatures. Your argument is true if you are imagining the season to be a bell curve of solar angle. The season can start with the sun having its highest angle above the horizon, just as a marathon starts with the greatest distance left to be run. As stated earlier, it takes time for the earth to absorb the direct radiation and warm, or conversely to lose heat as the radiation becomes more indirect. I suppose it is best to agree that we do not agree with the semantics. At the end of the day, neither one of our lives will be worse for our personal definition of the seasons. I will continue to hold to the scientific definition, the right one :) and you will continue to hold to your definition. As is often said, "the great thing about science is it's true, whether you believe it or not."
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